Path of Exile Wiki talk:Community portal/Archive 2

Requesting Animated Skill Image Feedback
I have uploaded a sample animated gif illustrating the Double Strike ability. Is this the kind of animation everyone would like on the skill pages? If people seem to like it, then I will go ahead and make more animations for other skills in a similar style. Thank you for your constructive feedback. Edit: Animations completed so far: Double Strike, Spark, Firestorm. Adalace (talk) 18:32, 20 February 2013 (UTC)


 * That's exactly the kind of thing I'd like to see. Great start! Iamacyborg (talk) 21:10, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Awesome stuff, please make more! --FaceLicker (talk) 22:19, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I thought it would be terrible, but I actually like it. looks good :) -AnnanFay (talk) 22:39, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
 * That's great to hear. I'll make more, starting with Firestorm. What is an acceptable file size for these animations? I'm keeping them well under 1MB, but there is a direct and perceivable correlation between file size and quality. I can make them as small or large, low or high quality as is desired; it's a matter of what is acceptable. Adalace (talk) 00:11, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Personally I strongly dislike animated content. Perhaps offer a link to the animation for the curious? --Nightblade (talk) 00:40, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
 * We could do better. Have a static image but animate it when someone hovers the mouse over it. Not that hard to do with CSS. -AnnanFay (talk) 01:02, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I would welcome that CSS change you mention AnnanFay. I don't know how to do that, but hopefully somebody will. Adalace (talk) 01:15, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Great idea AnnanFay, but still extra load on the server? -- Nightblade (talk) 01:17, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

You need two images, one animated the other static. Most browsers will download both images even if one is hidden and never visible. The solution I can think of is a bit of javascript code. If it's done that way then it should reduce server load since the animated, and larger, image isn't loaded unless it's hovered over. (I can write the javascript if needed) -AnnanFay (talk) 02:05, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Scrap that, background images on hidden elements are loaded but :hover background images shouldn't be. (so just CSS needed) Either way, there's ways around server load. -AnnanFay (talk) 02:09, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

The animation is nice, but it's very distracting when trying to read the page, I don't think it's a good idea to have it there always. I think a "View Animation" link below the static image in the infobox would be enough. — Malice (talk) 05:19, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I've added an animation parameter to Template:Gem Infobox. I've done two of the pages as examples of different ways we could do it.
 * For the Spark page, the animation is put in the subpage Spark/animation.
 * For the Firestorm page, there's just a link stright to the animation's file page.
 * I think I like the subpage method better, especially since it has a link there to return to Spark. — Malice (talk) 05:56, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not completely satisfied with either option, but I have no better alternative in mind aside from AnnaFay's mouseover suggestion, which may need some help text associated with it such as "mouse over for animation" below the static image; otherwise how would a user know to mouse over for an animation? Of the two methods being considered presently though, I would prefer the Spark-style with its own clean image page rather than the Firestorm method which links directly to the animated image file's page which is fairly cluttered and contains a lot of impertinent data. Adalace (talk) 09:47, 21 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Alternatively, we can use YouTube videos instead of animated gifs. The animation is a much better representation of the skill than a static image, in my opinion, and the view animation link doesn't provide a good user experience. Iamacyborg (talk) 10:57, 21 February 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm much more in favor of using embedded videos. We should create a Youtube channel specifically for the PoE wiki so that there is no conflict of interest in generating revenue from clicks or whatever. —Vinifera7 (talk) 11:27, 21 February 2013 (UTC)


 * I've got the pathofexilewikivideos@gmail address, so I could host those there and ensure ads are switched off. However I'm open to the suggestion of someone else spearheading this. Iamacyborg (talk) 11:42, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
 * So what exactly is the procedure for adding a video to the wiki's youtube channel? Adalace (talk) 01:03, 22 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Send me the video to that email address and I'll upload it. Something like Dropbox or Google Drive should work, but if you need more space to send stuff I can always set up an FTP account for you to upload stuff to. Iamacyborg (talk) 08:45, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Notes about changes to images
I can't edit the Community portal page so I've put this here. Let me know if there's a better place to discuss this sort of thing. I've spent the last couple of days categorizing all of the images on the pool domain, and consolidating and deleting duplicates. There were a large number of skill gem icons, most of them being used for linking inline with text in various ways. There is now one full size icon, and one small icon. I chose a 12x12 pixel icon for the small icon as it is small enough to not break the line spacing of a paragraph when used inline. Some of the other ones that were in use were up to 24 pixels high and weren't being resized when included in pages. As a result I had to update the Template:Sl, it uses the 12px image, add a colourless gem to any invalid input you give it that isn't explicitly listed in the template (eg. ), and shouldn't break normal line spacing. It should be easier to find images now, you can find the root category here: pool:Category:Images. — Malice (talk) 20:53, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Forgot to mention there were also two skill link templates, one of which was deprecated, so I went and updated all the pages that used the old one to use the new one. — Malice (talk) 21:12, 7 February 2013 (UTC)


 * I really like the inline images, but could you add an option for a larger image like it was before? If you look at for example Ground Slam, you can see that the gem is a lot smaller than the text "Ground Slam" is in the SkillBox. --Splinturr (talk) 21:58, 7 February 2013 (UTC)


 * The next major patch will include icons for all different gems, we might need another category in the pool. --Splinturr (talk) 22:07, 7 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I didn't realise it was being used in that template, it didn't show up in the usage lists for some reason (or I missed it). For the SkillBox, what do you think of something like this? The gem icon isn't showing up yet because I just uploaded it for this test, but you get the idea. If we name the gem icons consistently, they should all show up automagically using the name parameter. I've already named the skill icons uniformly, they should show up already. I don't think we'll need to put all the different icons into the Sl template, at that size they will be too small to differentiate. — Malice (talk) 23:58, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Equipment Mods
If you head over to the Belts page you'll notice I've added a table of possible prefixes belts can roll. This should be done for each type of item (suffixes as well), using this chart along with the prefixes and suffixes information from the PoE official website.
 * Where are the official prefixes/suffixes? Is that document kept up to date for every patch? And what is the format for adding the lists to the page? I see the table you used on the belt page, seems clear enough. Is there a template? Should we have a template? Should it be in the "noinclude" section? (I dunno what that section means :x ) Concrocotta (talk) 22:27, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

CSS
There are two stylesheets, Mediawiki:Common.css and Mediawiki:Vector.css, in addition to the base stylesheets put in place by the wiki software. Is there any reason to have two? From what I can tell, styles for the wiki's current appearance are disbursed between both css files. —Vinifera7 (talk) 16:55, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
 * The Vector.css only modified the site theme for anyone running the Vector skin, which is the default but can be switched off. Common.css effects all skins. I need to have a tidy up and work out exactly what needs to be where. Iamacyborg (talk) 17:17, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I definitely needs to be cleaned up. I would help with that, it's just that I'm not exactly sure what goes where. Also, how do you turn off the Vector skin? I don't seem to have the option to do so anymore. —Vinifera7 (talk) 17:27, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Neither can I, must have been turned off without my knowledge. Will ask about it. In that case, I guess we can safely just put everything into Vector.css. Iamacyborg (talk) 17:34, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Curse doesn't allow alternate skins. Users can change the appearance by creating their own personal css (i.e. User:Wynthyst/Vector.css). -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  16:20, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Item Levels
Much like D2 had Normal, Exceptional and Elite level equipment, we've got something similar going on in PoE. It'd make sense to organise items by these things. Speaking of which, do we even know what to call those level items? Iamacyborg (talk) 11:38, 11 February 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure that this is such a good idea. In D2 the differentiation between Normal, Exceptional, and Elite was explicit in terms of difficulty. In PoE, there's no explicit differentiation; Astral Plate is just a higher level piece of armour that uses the same art as Full Plate. For all we know, the developers might add new art resources as they expand the game. —Vinifera7 (talk) 14:42, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, the "tiers" only exist in so far as the art is duplicated, but there are no actual tiers. In D2 there were other implications, such as the cube recipes up upgrade from one tier to the next, but there are no such things in PoE. The art also seems to change randomly and without notice, so I'm with Vinifera7 on this. — Malice (talk) 16:08, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Builds
I think if there is going to be builds on the wiki, they should be user pages. This isn't information about the game itself but instead it's about how individuals have chosen to play the game. There probably thousands of people each with their own opinion on what an Ice Spear Witch should look like, for instance. We can still list all the builds people have posted by tagging them with categories. — Malice (talk) 05:31, 12 February 2013 (UTC)


 * You have a point in that there isn't just one of any type of build. Perhaps we could 1) better organize the naming of build pages, and 2) include builds under the same heading submitted by (or credited to) different users as sub-pages. For example, Ice Spear Witch would contain a list of all ice spear witch builds and Ice Spear Witch/Malice would contain the one credited to Malice. Would something like that work? I'd like to hear suggestions if anyone can think of a better way. —Vinifera7 (talk) 06:05, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I can't decide if builds on here are a good idea or not. Providing new players with some solid starting point would be a good thing. But having every man and his dog post their own build could be troublesome - who would maintain the builds? We'd end up with tons of very detailed, outdated builds. For example links to passive trees will become broken very fast, since even minor changes to the tree will break the whole thing if the changes affect the build in any way. Updates & tweaks to the game will mean the most popular/effective builds are a moving target.
 * Builds in Guild Wars are much simpler than in PoE, and they devoted a whole wiki just to builds.
 * I'm not sure how to proceed. — Malice (talk) 07:55, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Does it matter if there are a bunch of obsolete pages lying around? If it doesn't, we could make sure every build has version information, either in the page name or in a category tag. That way builds could be listed by version and it would be obvious which ones were current & being maintained. I think indicating the author in the name somehow is a good idea, either by having all builds in the user space eg User:Vinifera7/Ice Spear Witch, or just by putting the name in the title Build:Ice Spear Witch (Vinifera7). — Malice (talk) 08:18, 12 February 2013 (UTC)


 * I think if we stick to including version numbers prominently, either in the page name itself or somewhere high up on the page it could be pretty self explanatory. I can always use data from GA to see what the popular builds are and make sure those are kept up to date the most. I do like Vinifera7's idea of appending the user name of the writer to the end of the build, or, alternatively, something like Ice Spear Witch could contain all the different build variations. Outdated data will be outdated whether it's on the forums on on here, but at least here we have better tools available to manage it. Iamacyborg (talk) 08:54, 12 February 2013 (UTC)


 * We should put the version in Category tags. It might be slightly more useful to have it in the name, but if it's in the name that means the page will be have to be moved or duplicated every time it gets updated for a new patch, which could get messy. For the author name in the title, do we want to use /author or (author)? Also, do we want Build: at the start or not? Let's pick one:
 * name/author
 * name (author)
 * Build:name/author
 * Build:name (author)


 * I've also made a simple template for adding category/version information. I added it to this page as an example: Eldritch_Battery_Ethereal_Knives_Shadow — Malice (talk) 09:54, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I really, really, really believe builds should be user subpages. User:Danny/Ethereal_Knives_Shadow keeps it out of the mainspace to avoid clutter or conflicting with other page names. As a bonus it also contains the author name for further clarification. Danny (talk) 02:14, 15 February 2013 (UTC)


 * There's potentially a flaw in your reasoning, Danny. Putting builds as subpages under the User namespace requires a user to register before their build can be put on the wiki. It's a needless restriction that doesn't comport itself well with a free and open source of information. Pages in the User namespace are specifically about users of the wiki, not players of Path of Exile in general. —Vinifera7 (talk) 02:27, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
 * That's true, but should builds on the wiki be open invitation for everyone to edit them? I think most people who want to spend the time to write a whole article on a build wouldn't want someone to come along and change a bunch of stuff with it. It feels to me that it's something that should have some level of 'ownership' attached to it. Danny (talk) 18:00, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Additionally, AFAIK it's still true that editing the Path of Exile wiki requires you to register. Danny (talk) 18:06, 16 February 2013 (UTC)


 * You are correct about that, but the thing that you are not understanding is that by putting builds as subpages under the User namespace you are imposing the restriction that a user must be registered before anyone can put builds credited to that user on the wiki. Do you see the problem with that? If not, I will try to rephrase it, but I don't know how much more clearly I can explain the issue. —Vinifera7 (talk) 23:48, 16 February 2013 (UTC)


 * We encourage users to share build information and play guides with the community in the same collaborative fashion that they add anything else to the wiki. Every time you press the save button you are agreeing to publish your original contribution under the CC-by-NC-SA license, and that does not change simply by placing that information in the User namespace. As the Edit warning clearly states "If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, then do not submit it here." If for no other reason than to make the search function as easy as possible, keeping them in Main Space with the name of the build as the page title is probably the best. Attribution is achieved through the page history, just like it is with any other article. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  04:17, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Works for me. So then, with respect to Malice's original question, the article can really be named anything. Ethereal Knives Shadow, Malice's Freeze Mine Duelist, etc. Danny (talk) 18:04, 18 February 2013 (UTC)


 * There's no reason we can't use sensible naming conventions though. —Vinifera7 (talk) 19:01, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Skill Template
I see that we have two (new) skill templates now (Template:Gem Infobox and Template:SkillBox). So, which one are we going to use? --Goliath (talk) 15:15, 14 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Infobox looks like it's perfectly suited for support gems, whereas skillbox is better suited for skill gems. I think that's how they could best be used. Iamacyborg (talk) 15:40, 14 February 2013 (UTC)


 * I recently made the infobox one, my reasoning was this:


 * I had assumed for some reason that all the skills were using the Template:SkillBox, and I didn't realise it was new. So I had thought that icons could be added to all skill pages simply by editing the template. When I realised that the majority of pages are instead using the Template:Skill, and could do with an update, I figured I may as well do a thorough update pass over all skill pages, making sure the quality bonuses are correct, adding categories, etc.). Since that will take some time, I made a new template instead of updating the existing one so that the un-updated pages wouldn't look wonky while I am making my way through the list. I didn't put inputs for all the things that change on a per-level basis, because there's already a nice table on every page that shows that information in a more readable form. There's still room for listing mods that don't change though.


 * I've started from the the end of the list on Skills starting at Remote Mine and am working backwards. It's going to take quite some time to get through all of them. — Malice (talk) 17:29, 14 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, i was going to update the skill templates to Template:SkillBox 2 or 3 days ago but i've noticed some problems with it. They are easily fixed though (Not enough room for effects and static effects should be above level 1 to avoid confusion, in my opinion). I'm asking this to avoid any confusion that might happen, but i'm also asking because Template:MonsterBox i'm working on should look like the skill template. --Goliath (talk) 17:59, 14 February 2013 (UTC)


 * I think I prefer Template:Gem Infobox, the layout is just much more readable, though it will need some more info added to be as useful as the other template. Iamacyborg (talk) 20:32, 14 February 2013 (UTC)


 * What more info would you add? It's trivial to add more lines but I didn't think they were needed. I just compared the two templates and there are three in SkillBox that aren't in Infobox - req level, mana cost, and xp. All of which change with every level of a gem.
 * I think the monsterbox looks good. I don't think it's essential that it looks the same as a skill box, since they will be displaying entirely different stats. That said, changing the styles of one or the other or both to look similar wouldn't be too hard. — Malice (talk) 01:52, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I've done all the blue supports now, starting on green. I added mana cost and required level parameters to the infobox, and increased the max number of modifiers from 5 to 9. — Malice (talk) 10:00, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I've completed updating all the support gem pages, it's taking a long time since I'm having either update or write from scratch articles (like buff, totem, projectile) as I go along. I've started on the active skills now, again bottom to top starting at wrath. — Malice (talk) 10:24, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Collecting Information for Average Monster Damage, Evasion and Accuracy
It should be possible to work out the estimated average damage, accuracy and evasion of monsters for specific levels. What is the best way to collect data?


 * Google Spreadsheet
 * (easy to copy/paste data in and out)
 * Google Form
 * (we get a nice form to fill in)
 * Wiki Table
 * of input stats - Example: Level, Armour, Damage Reduction
 * (no immediate feedback, we need two tables)
 * of output stats - Example: Level, Average Damage
 * (person needs to do the calculation, they could get it wrong. We lose the raw data)
 * of input stats passed through a template - Example:
 * (probably the best solution?)

-AnnanFay (talk) 15:57, 16 February 2013 (UTC)


 * What is it exactly that you can do with Google Spreadsheets that you cannot do with the wiki? —Vinifera7 (talk) 23:39, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Tonnes of stuff. The main reason I use spreadsheet programs is easy of data entry. I can type 123456789 and it will input data vertically. I can type  to input horezontally.


 * The main reason to use it for collaborative data gathering is because maybe more people would be inclined to use it instead of editing a wiki. But maybe not, it would be interesting to set up both methods and see how many people use each.


 * I would prefer to have the data in a wiki because it's source code with version control, however I'd accept any solution which is likely to gather the most input from contributers. The wiki currently doesn't allow anonymouse page editing, this means most people wouldn't be able to contribute data unless they sign up.


 * Anyway, yesterday I set up the Monster Damage page so we'll see how it works.-AnnanFay (talk) 13:59, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Item/Unique Template and data duplication?
"Make sure every unique item has it's own page, this will be increasingly important as GGG add the 200+ they have planned."

[snip, my bad]

We're essentially storing the items twice.

We want to display the same data in multiple places Full Unique Index, Unique Belts, Wurms Molt and in different styles. If we wanted it to appear exactly the same we could just use transclusion like we're doing on Full Unique Index.

Are there any plans? I don't want to step on any toes. If not I'll put together something on a test page -AnnanFay (talk) 02:38, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Is it possible to transclude data when it's displayed in the form on this page: Redbeak? Ideally, I'd like to use Malice's item template on the individual pages. But you're right in that we'll be storing data twice which is a huge waste of resources. We should have individual pages to display alternate artwork and discuss Diamond Supporter, easter egg, builds and other relevant info for each unique. But how we go about transcluding that data into the sortable table style we already have set up, I have no idea. Personally, what I would do, I would just create the individual pages and then create textual lists of each category with links to the individual pages. Or.. keep the category pages but transclude the item template from each individual page. While the sortable table style can be handy.. I really don't like it. --FaceLicker (talk) 22:46, 20 February 2013 (UTC)


 * If we use partial template specification then we can store the data once (in the item's page) and use it in different formats. Basically transclusion but you get to specify what format you want it to be included in. I'll set up a test over the next few days when I have time. -AnnanFay (talk) 23:19, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I've done as much as I can for tonight, going to bed! You can see the prototype at User:AnnanFay/ItemTest -AnnanFay (talk) 03:35, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Race and Seasons
Since races are a pretty big thing (at least for me) in Path of Exile i was wondering if we should do some articles about them, maybe something like a Events/Season 1 overview page with a list of the unique rewards and a link to every race. The race page itself may have a list of the top 20 players and some statistics, like how many templar/witches etc. reached the top 20/1000. Just throwing some ideas around. If you are wondering what i'm talking about http://www.pathofexile.com/seasons. Opinions/Ideas ? --Goliath (talk) 08:01, 20 February 2013 (UTC)


 * I like the idea. I wonder if we can leverage the API to display ladder rankings on the site, or if this is even the right place to be putting that information. Iamacyborg (talk) 08:41, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
 * We should definitely have all the basic info - race types/rules, race times(in UTC), and rewards. The ladder results will permanently be displayed on the Path of Exile website, do we really need it also? Not to mention other sites like Temple of Exiles and poestatistics.com that will also have the ladder information and statistics readily available. --FaceLicker (talk) 22:33, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
 * When i've made the first draft earlier i've noticed that including Ladder Results (manually) is a ton of work. Since (like you said) it's already easily available i don't think it's really necessary anymore... --Goliath (talk) 22:52, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Outdated Message Box?
Do we have something like: [Template:Outdated]


 * I hesitate to add it because it has other templates it uses. Such as Template:Mbox which uses Template:Namespace detect, etc. -AnnanFay (talk) 19:27, 4 March 2013 (UTC)


 * There is Template:OOD but it needs to be updated for the Curse color scheme somehow. Danny (talk) 10:41, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Fan Portal Addition
I'm not sure how to add (or what the stipulations are for it) sites to the "Fan Portal" section on the left, but I've been PMed on the PoE forums by one of the creators of a nice Russian/Ukranian PoE fansite. It looks like they even translate patchnotes. We might want to add it to the Fan Portal! Danny (talk) 13:16, 8 March 2013 (UTC)


 * For sure. I'm trying to move away from having sites in the sidebar and having a dedicated area on the wiki for fansites. What do you think? Iamacyborg (talk) 13:19, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
 * It's probably a good idea, however I don't see anything wrong with including a few of the good ones on the side, provided they are actually active sites. The sidebar is pretty empty otherwise. As long as we don't clutter it up with low-quality or dead sites it's probably okay. Up to you, though! Danny (talk) 13:34, 9 March 2013 (UTC)


 * I can understand that reasoning. There are definitely a few now which are of more value to the community. I think we can also add some of the more popular pages to the sidebar or add a beginner's guide there or something of value to people who are new. Iamacyborg (talk) 13:49, 9 March 2013 (UTC)


 * The same user has PM'd me again. Message is included here:
 * "Hello! It's me again :)

We fully changed our website engine, to make it more community oriented. We think community and experience exchange are more important to players, than static data and news. Still having fresh patchnotes and news translated, writing own guides and tips along with translating top forum guides to russian.

I wonder is there any chance to have link to our community fansite at official poe wiki?

Thanks in advance!"
 * I think we should either remove the fan portal altogether and turn it into its own article, or include them in it. Danny (talk) 21:56, 22 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I think it would be best to remove the fan portal and instead make it it's own article. A link to Fan Portal can then go in the sidebar. I think it would be a good idea to add other useful links such as to the FAQ and other popular pages. A subset of the links from the main page. This would keep the sidebar from becoming too empty and provide easier navigation without having to always go back to the homepage to find stuff. -AnnanFay (talk) 22:33, 22 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm down with that. Does anyone know how to actually edit the sidebar? —Vinifera7 (talk) 00:48, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Found this MediaWiki:Sidebar -AnnanFay (talk) 01:40, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Yep, that's the page to edit. Iamacyborg (talk) 09:34, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Problems uploading images
If an image is linked to on a page before the actual image is uploaded, then it takes days for said image to show up on the page. For example, the skill page Incinerate was created before the images and  were uploaded. As you can see on the page, the images are not showing up. Another example is Le Heup of All on the Unique Rings page. The image link was created just moments before uploading the image but the image will not show. Yet, Chernobog's Pillar shows up on the Unique Shields page because the image was uploaded first. Why does this occur and is there a way to resolve the issue? In the future, I will be sure to upload images first before linking them but that is not always possible as in the case of Incinerate.--FaceLicker (talk) 18:37, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
 * The images for Incinerate should show up now, but i have no idea why the image for Le Heup of All doesn't work. I think it's an issue with the cache. --Goliath (talk) 19:54, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll ask some people to see what can be done. Iamacyborg (talk) 20:33, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah this happened the other day when I updated one of the Microtransaction images. It's not even a case of the image not being uploaded first. And purging the pages didn't work either. It seems that eventually (after some unspecified amount of time) you can fix it with a null edit though. Danny (talk) 10:14, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

3D image models
I recently discovered how to view the 3D models of PoE's chests and barrels, monsters, npc's etc. I'm thinking it would be great to add images of all the monsters, for example Undying and Perpetus, the images of course have transparent backgrounds. I think it would be a good alternative to screenshots of everything. Is this perhaps something people would like to see? --FaceLicker (talk) 00:22, 24 March 2013 (UTC)


 * It definitely would be. Iamacyborg (talk) 00:42, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Awesome! :) -AnnanFay (talk) 06:45, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Defenses page needed
We need a page to quickly cover "Armour vs Evasion vs Energy Shield: What's the difference", and maybe other FAQs. Lubaf (talk) 03:40, 26 March 2013 (UTC)


 * You can already refer to the Armour, Evasion, and Energy Shield pages. I'm not sure that there is enough information regarding a comparison of these defensive stats to warrant a separate page, though maybe you would disagree. Perhaps an adequate solution would be to add something to the Diablo Player's Guide or the FAQ. —Vinifera7 (talk) 08:27, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

DPS on skill tables
The following is transcribed from User talk:Intently:

 Hey, before making such big changes to skill pages, could you please discuss with other members? I'm not sure that we want to be showing that data in that manner, but it's worth discussing first before making edits. There may be better ways of showing this kind of info. Iamacyborg (talk) 15:33, 18 March 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm new to this, my apologies! I just wanted the info for myself and thought I'd share it.  I'm open to anything. --Intently (talk) 19:32, 18 March 2013 (UTC)


 * No worries! Maybe add a new table to the bottom of the page with that info for now and then we can work on a better solution. Iamacyborg (talk) 20:01, 18 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Should I use the same template, or something else? --Intently (talk) 20:05, 18 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Go with the same template for now, we'll tidy it up if we have to. Iamacyborg (talk) 20:22, 18 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Showing this information is not necessarily a bad idea, but we do not want to clutter up the gem stat tables. If you were to show this info, I recommend using a graph so that way the data can be visualized better. —Vinifera7 (talk) 18:13, 18 March 2013 (UTC)


 * It's definitely not a bad idea, it looks like it'll be really useful data to show, we just need to find the right place for it and the right way to visualise it. What kind of graph do you have in mind? I can't really imagine it as being displayed in graph form. Iamacyborg (talk) 19:25, 18 March 2013 (UTC)


 * You can represent a set of points as a curve (a line). The x-axis is gem level and the y-axis is whatever type of data you are presenting, such as DPS. —Vinifera7 (talk) 22:46, 18 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Would that really be a better way to visualise the information though? Iamacyborg (talk) 13:04, 19 March 2013 (UTC)


 * How about a separate table along side the Gem Data table? That way it's clearly related to gem data, but not actually shown in-game, and it's easy to see all the info for a given level. -- Nightblade (talk) 06:29, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Categories
I find categories on this wiki to be somewhat haphazard and generally inconsistent with other wikis I've used in the past. For example, Category:Unique_items contains links to other categories, item lists, and items. (Probably not a great example, as it seems to be in the middle of changes, but it does illustrate my point.)

Are there some guidelines on categories that we are/should be following? -- Nightblade (talk) 02:19, 2 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I try to follow the wikipedia guide on categorization as closely as possible. In particular, read over Naming Conventions and Category Tree Organization. —Vinifera7 (talk) 14:57, 3 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I've found the categorization to be inconsistent as well. It seems to me that there's too many people with 'ideas' of how it should be done. Someone will create, for example, 10 pages and place categories at the bottom. Then someone else will come along and change the categories on 5 out of 10 pages because it's convenient for their current project but they'll neglect the other 5. Then someone completely new will come along and create 10 more pages using the original categories, while someone else entirely will also create 10 pages but use the 'changed' categories. Then if the categories are not spelled with the same capitalization then even more categories are created.


 * Honestly, I couldn't care less about categories since I have never used them on any wiki that I have ever visited. So, if you've got a sensible method, then by all means go forth with it.--FaceLicker (talk) 15:15, 3 April 2013 (UTC)


 * One thing I personally would encourage is automated category selection via template. Template:Item for example should know enough about each item to categorise it. --Nightblade (talk) 02:38, 4 April 2013 (UTC)


 * It's certainly possible, but generally discouraged by Wikipedia's categorization guide. —Vinifera7 (talk) 02:45, 4 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes I've noticed that. I've also noticed most wikis I've used completely ignore that guideline. ;)  IMHO the benefits far outweigh the potential problems. -- Nightblade (talk) 03:06, 4 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Please be very careful about applying Wikipedia standards to this wiki. In most cases, they are inappropriate as this is just a small game wiki with a limited scope of data, in comparison. I completely agree with using templates to auto categorize like articles, as in using the Item infobox to auto cat items. It's a much more efficient format, and does not require individual users to make decisions regarding what categories each individual items belong in. Categories are a very useful tool if used properly, linking articles by common denominators and should be given every consideration. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  11:32, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Support Gems that Share Names with Other Things
There are several instances where support gems share names with other thing such as keystones and mechanics. The instances that I am aware of are:
 * Stun the mechanic and Stun (Support Gem)
 * Knockback (Mechanic) and Knockback
 * Blood Magic the keystone and Blood Magic (Support Gem)
 * Point Blank the keystone and Point Blank (Support Gem)
 * Traps the type of skill and Trap the support gem
 * Life Gain on Hit the mechanic and Life Gain on Hit the support gem

As you can see, it's rather inconsistent. We should decide how we want to handle page names so that it is consistent. My suggestion is to use the name proper on keystones and mechanics, and " (Support Gem)" for the support gems. Any other ideas? —Vinifera7 (talk) 22:15, 13 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Your suggestion makes the most sense to me. It's something that's already mostly consistent across the support gems. Iamacyborg (talk) 10:27, 14 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Agreed, labeling the support gems would be the best idea. However, is there any way you can smoothly swap the names without breaking all the redirects to the respective pages? For example if you just make a new page for the support gem and move everything there and than move the mechanic stuff to the original page than all links to the respective gem would now link to the mechanic instead. Is the only way that you manually change all the redirects or is there another way to do it smoother? --Ersk (talk) 11:04, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I think you have to manually change the links. However, that can be quite time consuming and tedious as in the case with Knockback which has approx 66 pages that link to it. Perhaps it is something a bot can take care of.--FaceLicker (talk) 13:25, 14 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Yeah, a lot of that can be done with a bot. Another thing that might help is reworking Template:Sl so that it links to the correct page automatically if the page name is different than the gem name. It's bothered me since I made the template, but I've never actually bothered to improve it as such. —Vinifera7 (talk) 13:31, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

@font-face
Fontin, the font used in the game, allows for web embedding. It's free of charge, if I'm reading this correctly. Could an admin add the @font-face declaration to the CSS file for the item info boxes? --Folivor (talk) 05:16, 4 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Would it be possible to upload the font files, Iamacyborg? If so, I can handle the css. —Vinifera7 (talk) 05:54, 4 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Meant to respond to this yesterday, but I'm on it. Iamacyborg (talk) 21:16, 5 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Okay, so we're not able to upload the font files to the server, so if we can find another way to deal with it, it is something we can look into adding. Iamacyborg (talk) 18:58, 6 May 2013 (UTC)


 * We can't change the permitted file types for file uploads? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by AnnanFay (talk • contribs) 19:45, 6 May 2013


 * We could ask for permission to use the files from the GGG servers. -Folivor (talk) 20:39, 6 May 2013 (UTC)


 * That's an idea. It can't hurt to ask. Would you please do that Iamacyborg? —Vinifera7 (talk) 20:42, 6 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I'll shoot support an email now. Iamacyborg (talk) 07:54, 7 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, we do not allow the use of custom fonts. Also, @font-face does not work with MediaWiki. Sorry guys! -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  11:35, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Why are we not allowed to use custom fonts? What do you mean it by it not working with MediaWiki? I made a proof of concept which works fine. -AnnanFay (talk) 16:25, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Diamond Unique
Hey guys, I've got a diamond supporter unique I need to create. I want something that can be linked to the wiki in a way. My initial (dumb) idea is some kind of increased exp unique, but I know you can do better than that. Iamacyborg (talk) 12:06, 7 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Maybe something that scales in power with the number of uniques the player has discovered. —Vinifera7 (talk) 16:47, 7 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Could model it after a monicle. 300% More Wisdom Scrolls from monster drops would be funny. Would be interesting to have something that scaled for equipped uniques. XX% (IIQ / Exp gain / something else) for each unique equipped. -AnnanFay (talk) 00:00, 8 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I was thinking increased experience, but more wisdom scrolls could be a funny one. Second suggestion seems just like what Vinifera7 is suggesting, which could also be a fun one to implement. Base item type? I'm thinking a ring or amulet, something low level that stays relevant throughout the entire game. Iamacyborg (talk) 07:33, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Community FAQ
I wasn't really happy with the official FAQ or the one on the forums since they miss some important things, so I started a Frequently Asked Questions page. I added as much as I could think of, but feel free to add whatever you want. Or double-check to see if I got anything wrong. I got most of my information from the mechanics thread, but you never know.

If we ever get around to updating the front page, this would be something good to have. Magnanimous (talk) 02:25, 8 May 2013 (UTC)


 * The existing FAQ page, which looks to be based on the official FAQ, should be merged with Frequently Asked Questions. We don't need two separate FAQ pages. —Vinifera7 (talk) 02:32, 8 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Done. The wiki's official FAQ had been a little out of date anyway, the main site's FAQ was updated a little. Magnanimous (talk) 22:08, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Microtransaction Videos
I've just added the ability to show microtransaction videos to the template, and added 4 videos to the weta pet table, is this something you feel is useful, or are the vids just too small? Iamacyborg (talk) 18:32, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
 * They are indeed too small. However, it's rather easy to just click the 'YouTube' button and view it there if someone wishes. It's nice to have quick access to the videos while visiting this site.--FaceLicker (talk) 23:28, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Great, that's exactly what I was thinking in terms of them being a bit small but it's very easy to see them at the correct size. I'll get working on adding the rest then. Iamacyborg (talk) 07:40, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Ads on the website
What's up with the advertisements? This is the ONLY website that gives me problems. I get frequent crashes for Adobe Shockwave/Flash and I even get popup ads. I'm using the latest Firefox and all my extensions and whatnot are up to date. As I said, this is the ONLY website that does this to me, not even porn websites give me popups or crashes. What gives? It's super annoying and really makes me not want to visit this site.--FaceLicker (talk) 23:42, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll ask around. Are there any particular ads causing issues? In the meantime, feel free to block ads here. Iamacyborg (talk) 07:35, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Also, is anyone else having issues with ads? Iamacyborg (talk) 08:38, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm also getting frequent crashes on this site, using the latest Firefox. I don't know which ad is the culprit, because the plugin just crashes when it is loaded. Folivor (talk) 12:30, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * ^ ditto. The ad doesn't load at all, just simply crashes. When it happens my entire browser locks up for upwards of 30 seconds. It's even worse if I try to use an ad-blocker or flash blocker for some reason. If it continues, I'll see about using Chrome or possibly IE instead of Firefox.--FaceLicker (talk) 12:34, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, but you having to change your browser isn't acceptable. I'm chasing people at Curse and doing what I can to see this get resolved properly, will get back to you as soon as I hear anything. Iamacyborg (talk) 14:49, 16 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm not having any troubles with FF 20.0.1, but frankly I wouldn't visit this site at all if it wasn't for ad-blocking software. --Nightblade (talk) 08:46, 17 May 2013 (UTC)


 * We take bad ads seriously, and investigate EVERY report we receive. If you experience a bad ad, please screenshot it, or at least make note of what the ad is for and email the report to contact@curse.com -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]]  talk  11:22, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Legit Hover Item Box
Check it out guys:. Glorious, is it not? It took me hours to write a custom script for this, but I'd say it paid off. —Vinifera7 (talk) 05:40, 23 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Truly a thing of beauty, nice work! But (and I hate to be that guy) won't the method you've used slow down pages with large numbers of hover items? --Nightblade (talk) 06:35, 23 May 2013 (UTC)


 * No, that's a legitimate point. However the hover effect won't slow down the page at all. What slows down page loads is transcluding tons of templates and pages on one page, such as Full Unique Index and to a somewhat lesser extent, Skills. —Vinifera7 (talk) 06:38, 23 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Looks good :) If server load becomes a problem we can turn it into proper Ajax, that should help a lot with page size. -AnnanFay (talk) 10:56, 23 May 2013 (UTC)


 * The thought had occurred to me, but I wasn't sure if it was even possible to use Ajax on a wiki. —Vinifera7 (talk) 14:55, 23 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Something like this should work:


 * Also, who do I ask for permission to edit javascript/CSS files? It would probably be useful. -AnnanFay (talk) 16:40, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
 * The stylesheets and javascript aren't protected pages as far as I can tell. Of course if people start abusing this, I will change protection so that only admins can edit them. There are two stylesheets that you should be aware of: MediaWiki:Common.css and MediaWiki:Vector.css. The former is general purpose and the later is specifically for the modified Vector skin. The javascript is here: MediaWiki:Common.js. —Vinifera7 (talk) 16:53, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Err... just kidding they are protected pages. Ask User:Iamacyborg for permissions. —Vinifera7 (talk) 16:57, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
 * All pages on the Mediawiki namespace are protected by default, to stop people doing little thing like adding porn links to the sitewide sidebar. I need to see if there's a way to create an Advanced User or similar group with a few more permissions, instead of giving everyone admin access :D Iamacyborg (talk) 18:06, 23 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Damnit Vini, that is absolutely glorious. Now where and how do we make the most of this? Iamacyborg (talk) 08:54, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I added the Il template a while ago. So we can use Sl for linking skills and Il for linking items. -AnnanFay (talk) 10:56, 23 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Just tried to use it on the 0.11.1c patch notes but there seems to be a problem there. Not sure what's going on as it works fine elsewhere. Iamacyborg (talk) 08:30, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Currently it doesn't work when used in a list. I haven't took the time to figure out why or look for a solution yet. I will be insanely busy for the next seven weeks, so I can't promise to get to it soon either. For now, just use regular links inside of lists. —Vinifera7 (talk) 08:34, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah gotcha, I'll take a look at it and see if there's anything I can spot, but it's not a big deal for now. Iamacyborg (talk) 08:47, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
 * So AnnanFay and I might have actually fixed the problem. Check out Template:Il/testcases). Wiki-syntax lists are really particular when it comes to line breaks, which is why the itembox was messing things up when set inside of one. —Vinifera7 (talk) 18:27, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Looks like you have. You guys are awesome. Iamacyborg (talk) 19:07, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Forum Reference Generation
I got annoyed at manually creating s so created this. Adds a button to forum posts which when clicked generates something like:

Hope someone else finds this useful :) -AnnanFay (talk) 06:00, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Formatting numerical ranges displayed on item data
I want to discuss how ranges on items are displayed. There are two types of ranges: 1) Min/max damage ranges, and 2) Stat randomization ranges. In game, damage ranges are displayed using a dash between two numbers, such as " ". To reduce confusion, I propose that we use a different format for stat randomization ranges. Here are some examples of ranges: How do people feel about this? Is there a better way? —Vinifera7 (talk) 08:13, 3 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Also, which is more clear?  or   —Vinifera7 (talk) 08:24, 3 June 2013 (UTC)


 * I prefer . --Nightblade (talk) 12:11, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Rogue Exiles
Threads are starting to pop up about the new Rogue Exiles on the official forums and on Reddit, what do we know about them so far, and how should we present that information? Do we know if they have fixed names? Iamacyborg (talk) 13:10, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure they have fixed names. People keep mentioning Torg Ologosson or something as a Leap Slam warrior and we do know from GGG that there are 13 of them in total. We should create a Rogue Exile page and list them with their abilities just like the unique monsters.--FaceLicker (talk) 13:28, 8 June 2013 (UTC)


 * That was my thought too, just wanted confirmation that they were in fact uniquely named rather than randomly named. Iamacyborg (talk) 13:32, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Class sound clips
Some Google searching brought me to this page: GGPK unpacker It lets you open the .GGPK package and look at the game files. I did this because I wanted to hear the sound clips - I always missed out on hearing them, and I wanted to know what was said. Lo and behold, they're ALL in here, and can even be extracted! They're even .ogg files, which are nice :> So I can go through all the class pages and write down their dialogue. But should I upload the sound files too? Concrocotta (talk) 17:39, 13 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Probably not all of them since there a lot. You could perhaps do the intro speech for each class for now though. —Vinifera7 (talk) 17:43, 13 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Nope, ALL of them. Including the kill line(s) for Dominus, who isn't even in-game yet! Concrocotta (talk) 17:52, 13 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Go for it, though putting them ALL onto the class page might be a little too much. Maybe we can create a subpage for all the soundclips for each class. Iamacyborg (talk) 18:42, 13 June 2013 (UTC)


 * I I can do that :> Where's the help page for learning how to wiki-make things? Concrocotta (talk) 19:14, 13 June 2013 (UTC)


 * This is the most useful page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Wiki_markup Iamacyborg (talk) 19:23, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Page is up here: http://en.pathofexilewiki.com/wiki/Voice_clips Feel free to help! I'm not 100% sure on the triggers for some voices. I'm filling them in as I go. Concrocotta (talk) 19:46, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Guess what was in the sound clips?
14 lines under the heading "Talking_Axe"... They're very raspy.

Then those repeated... but louder! Plus: Several repeats in there. Hmm... INTERESTING :3 Concrocotta (talk) 20:59, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
 * "Death likes me... I keep him busy."
 * "I am the pain... the pain of life."
 * "I'm thirsty... so... bloody.. thirsty."
 * "Hone my edge... on their bones."
 * "Blood is sweet! And I, am a sweet tooth... master."
 * "They're so full of blood! ... let's let some out!"
 * "Care to know thy enemies' future? I'll read the entrails for you."
 * Umm.. they're sound clips for XvXReaperXvX's Jack the Talking Axe custom unique. We've known about this for a long, long time. It actually cost Reaper more than $1k because of all the work that has to go into creating the item and implementing it into the game.--FaceLicker (talk) 21:50, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
 * ... oh :V And here I felt so smart... HERP DERP. Well the sound clips sound pretty damn badass. Concrocotta (talk) 23:40, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Reference/Citation Formatting
I would like to create a template to assist in creating references/citations, but first we need to agree on a standard format. Different users seem to have various ways of doing references, which makes for inconsistent formatting on the whole. The version that is closest to standard MLA is Goliath's, which is like this:. " ".  . Retrieved. Is everyone fine with making this the standard? —Vinifera7 (talk) 03:36, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm happy with that format. Iamacyborg (talk) 07:34, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I have created Template:Cite web. Please use this to create web citations. —Vinifera7 (talk) 15:33, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Looks good! I've updated the script with the new format. -AnnanFay (talk) 16:45, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

So what did the migration change?
I see that all of the files were migrated here. Is there no longer a shared file repository? I see also that the file categorization on the old repository did not migrate, so apparently we lost all of that. Also, what happened to the foreign language wikis? Are they just gone? —Vinifera7 (talk) 18:38, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * It seems a lot of the templates are either missing or not functioning how they should. For instance Template:sl is missing the image icons: _FaceLicker (talk) 19:18, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually I know why that is. The css is pointing to a URL that no longer exists. I can fix this, just need to get a coffee at the moment. —Vinifera7 (talk) 19:24, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Looks like Wynthyst did this for me. I'd like to work on making revisions to Template:Item next, but some RL work has just come up that I need to take care of. —Vinifera7 (talk) 20:59, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Yep, Wynthyst handled those. The URL's are now quite different so we can use the recent changes as a base to work from. No worries about RL work, these things happen! Iamacyborg (talk) 21:07, 26 June 2013 (UTC)


 * I was just about to make a section about that here. This caught me at a bad time, just as I was finishing work and having to go see a new flat, so I'm catching up on all the changes now. Other language wikis are still around:
 * * http://pathofexile-fr.gamepedia.com/
 * * http://pathofexile-de.gamepedia.com/
 * * http://pathofexile-ru.gamepedia.com/
 * I'll need to check stuff like the aforementioned missing icons. All images should now be stored locally on this wiki (and on the others too) so let me know if anything is missing. If we can get a list of all the broken templates that'd probably be a good start. Iamacyborg (talk) 20:00, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

AutoWikiBrowser
Has anyone managed to get AutoWikiBrowser working with the wiki since the migration? —Vinifera7 (talk) 00:12, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Search rendered useless after migration
It seems that since the migration, the wiki search function is completely useless. It gives no results, period. What's the deal with that? —Vinifera7 (talk) 22:03, 27 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Yeah I've noticed that too. When I inquired I was told the search indexer was still running. I'll give it another day and then start chasing up on it. Iamacyborg (talk) 07:41, 28 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Search is starting to get a little better, still a bit unwieldy. Will chase up tonight. Iamacyborg (talk) 15:21, 1 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Did anything come of this? Just today there was a post on reddit suggesting that people work around the crappy search by creating redirect pages. Maybe that's genuinely the best approach, but it would be nice to be able to search for, say, "Shavronne" and find *some* of the various pages whose titles or text contain that word. Screwtapello (talk) 07:44, 17 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Yeah, plus it would prevent the wiki from being cluttered up with thousands of redirects. —Vini (t 20:47, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

History of Wraeclast
I'm interested in game lore, and I found the world of Wraeclast fairly interesting, so I've spent the past few weeks picking through the game's NPC dialog data-files, studying and correlating, and have produced a History of Wraeclast. I think it's reasonably complete content-wise, but before I start linking to it on Reddit or the official forums, I figured I should ask more experienced wiki-users to look it over and check that I've conformed to whatever style and markup standards this wiki might have (I did what instruction I could find, but there doesn't seem to be much lore here yet so I didn't have much precedent to follow). In particular, nothing actually links to the History of Wraeclast page yet (apart from this Community Portal page). I thought maybe I should put a link on the Wraeclast page, but that's currently got the content of the official site's World Areas page, and there wasn't any obvious place to put a link to my new page. Any suggestions? Screwtapello (talk) 12:59, 6 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Very impressive work, and I enjoyed the read. There are quite a few terms in your history that could be wikilinked (eg, area names, baleful gem), but do we want to? For a link, you could add a 'see also' to the bottom of Wraeclast - there isn't really anywhere better because there is so little lore other than the two pages in question. Another solution would be to create a lore page to bring together links to future lore articles (such as on the letters or the karui carvings)--Qetuth (talk) 18:02, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Deleting pages?
What, if any, is the system for deleting pages here? I noticed for example that Critical Strikes for Spells is just an earlier version of Critical Strike for Spells. --Qetuth (talk) 18:07, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Simply contact an admin by writing on his talk page and he will take care of it. I am online right now, so I can take care of it. —User:Vinifera7 (talk) 18:15, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Wow, that sounds amazingly simple after my previous wiki experiences :) --Qetuth-(talk) 18:34, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
 * It's a small wiki, there's no point making overly complicated processes :) Iamacyborg (talk) 19:06, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Pretty much. The other thing you could do is use Template:Prod to place the "proposed for deletion" notification at the top of a page, but contacting an admin is generally faster. —User:Vinifera7 (talk) 19:11, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

New verbose usernames?
Any easy way I can stop names poping up as "‎AnnanFay (User:AnnanFay)" in page history / recent changes? It is a bit too redundant for my taste. -User:AnnanFay 22:59, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Don't see an option but one way would be like this i guess:

body[class*="mw-special-Recentchanges"] .dnUser, body[class*="action-history"] .dnUser, body[class*="mw-special-Log"] .dnUser { display: none !important; }
 * Just put it in Stylish or User:AnnanFay/common.css. Not sure if you just want to remove your own name though. --GoliathOffline (talk) 00:23, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
 * It seems to me that only users with something on their user page have their names displayed like that. My own name, and everyone else who doesn't have a user page set up, displays normally (at least that's how it looks on my end). Versatility_skill_icon.png FaceLicker (talk) 04:46, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
 * One way to have the simplified sig just for yourself (even if you do have a user page with content), is to use a custom signature. For example, if I was so inclined I could enter, which would yield Vinifera7 (talk). You have to split up the user name link into two parts like that, otherwise it will automatically convert it into the verbose style regardless. —User:Vinifera7 (talk) 07:40, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
 * This really bugged me when I first saw it, so I did the split link trick V-inifera7 suggests. When I was experimenting with the sig entry, I found it very strange that it duplicates a correct user name, but not an incorrect one - this seems opposite to expected behaviour to me. It didn't even occur to me to check if the two parts of the sig might have different labels for css hiding. Now done, and I have to say history and recent changes pages look a lot nicer now. --Qetuth-(talk) 07:54, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually I got the idea from you. However, I just discovered a better way to do it. You can have a single link by doing it like this:, which yields Vinifera7&#32;. The character encoding &amp;#32; is just a normal space. —User:Vinifera7 (talk) 08:15, 16 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks Vini and Goliath, works wonders :) -Annan (talk) 15:47, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

IRC channel?
I visited the IRC channel linked on the front page, and nobody was in there, not even idling, not even ChanServ. Is IRC still a thing people here do, or should it be removed from the front page?


 * I set it up back in January but haven't really had time to actually use it. Is it something people would find useful? If not, we can get rid of it, or just link to the general PoE one. Iamacyborg (talk) 12:58, 17 July 2013 (UTC)


 * It could be a useful way for people to contact Wiki admins for things like deletions, and to get feedback on an idea faster than leaving comments on the Community Portal Talk page. On the other hand, if all the admin stuff happens in the IRC channel that could mean people who don't live in the same time-zone as the admins wind up left out.
 * I joined the channel yesterday and in the past 24 hours or so, not one single other person has joined, not even a spammer. If anyone else wants to drop by the channel occasionally, and leave a client idling and check for activity every so often, it could be come a nice place... otherwise, yeah, just link to the general PoE channel, if there is one. Screwtapello (talk) 00:36, 18 July 2013 (UTC)


 * It would only be useful if admins went on the IRC channel, which they don't. At least I don't. I've tried logging on a couple of times in the past but no one ever came on, so I just don't bother anymore. —Vini (t 03:45, 18 July 2013 (UTC)


 * OK, my vote is for just linking to the regular #pathofexile channel. Screwtapello (talk) 07:40, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Charts and Graphs
I was thinking it might be nice to have a way to generate charts and graphs from plain old data rather than having to rely on images which must be remade and re-uploaded every time the data changes. There are many javascript libraries out there which do this, for example, jqPlot. However, it's not very efficient to load these scripts on every single page when only a handful will actually be utilizing it. Does anyone know of a way to include a script only on selected pages? It might be impossible, but I just thought I'd put it out there. —Vini (t 12:24, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if it's possible to call scripts only on certain pages within MW, but I can certainly inquire and look around. It would definitely be helpful, and much easier to update this way. Iamacyborg (talk) 09:40, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Diamond/Eternal Newsletters
Shall we start hosting the Diamond/Eternal newsletters here? Iamacyborg (talk) 09:43, 5 August 2013 (UTC)


 * At the very least, it'd be nice to have an index of them instead of having to look them up on the subreddit or on the official front-page news-posts every time. Screwtapello (talk) 07:41, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Enough with the redirects!
I'm tired of hitting Recent Changes and seing the ridiculous amount of redirects being created. Some, I'd like to point out, like 'Amy' are the stupidest things I've seen on this wiki. First of all, it's a very, very rare day when I see someone substitue 'amy' for amulet or necklace. Second, why are we creating redirects for such nonsense? If someone wants to look up amulets then they can properly spell amulets. Amy is a proper name, it is not a shortened form nor an abbreviation nor an acronym that deserves its own page. I understand some common PoE related shorthand like 'gcp', something like that is sorta fine. But a lot of these abbreviations and whatnot are just silly and have no business with their own redirects being on the wiki. We don't need redirects for every little abbreviation that someone might see in game. Keep that crap limited to the Community shorthand page which should ALREADY have a link to the proper page. Aside from the shorthand page, where else on this wiki would you find 'amy'? Nowhere, because NO ONE on the wiki should ever type something like 'amy' in an article as it's completely unprofessional, stupid and unnecessary. If you can't type out full words then you shouldn't be editing the wiki in the first place. Just my two cents. - FaceLicker (talk) 20:40, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
 * While I pretty much agree with you and would prefer not to have the place spammed up with pointless redirects, the actual reason for people creating them is because the search engine on this wiki still does not work properly since the migration to Gamepedia. Curse people: Please get on that! —Vini (t 20:52, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

In-game appearance of items
With the addition of the Skin Transfer microtransaction recently, would it be worth adding screenshots of the in-game appearance of items? My immediate thought is yes. Iamacyborg (talk) 07:51, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Path of POE
Path of POE is evidently the new replacement for ExilePro. Do you think we should link to it on the homepage and under Fan Portal in the sidebar? —Vini (t 19:03, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm happy to do that. Iamacyborg (talk) 19:19, 10 October 2013 (UTC)